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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245179519" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245179519">(Jul 07 2021 at 13:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> What was the process last year for designing the survey? Did you take the previous year's survey, put it into a doc, and work on it in the doc, only transferring it to the survey website when you were happy with it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245228929" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245228929">(Jul 07 2021 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>Last year we didn't really make many changes, but I believe edits were done in the google form itself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245228936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245228936">(Jul 07 2021 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can't remember 100%</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245228974" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245228974">(Jul 07 2021 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was thinking that it <em>would</em> behoove us to spend a bit of time asking what questions we most want answered</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245229021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245229021">(Jul 07 2021 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I for one would like more data on what blocks adoption and on learning curve; also, things like how many people are using it and bouncing (that can be hard to know, of course, since such people may not respond to the survey)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245229076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245229076">(Jul 07 2021 at 19:18)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116009">nikomatsakis</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/294169-t-community.2Frust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey/near/245228929">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Last year we didn't really make many changes, but I believe edits were done in the google form itself</p>
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<p>I imagine any significant iteration would ultimately be easier to do in a separate doc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245233085" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245233085">(Jul 07 2021 at 19:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I’ll prepare a doc tomorrow that we can work on.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245239753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nick Cameron <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245239753">(Jul 07 2021 at 20:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I would love to iterate  in a doc - I think it has been a few years since we've made serious changes, and it's always been a bit rushed without time to gather feedback from teams</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/245306082" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#245306082">(Jul 08 2021 at 12:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="256841">@Nick Cameron</span> Here's <a href="https://hackmd.io/@ryanlevick/H1DGPEEa_">a link</a> to a hackmd with the survey questions. Currently this is an exact 1 to 1 copy of last year's survey. I add a bunch of comments for things that  felt like they could use improvement or that came from the <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WYaePLm7482ClWE8f0ofuYp3poVDn9Cu24MNiLl2DSY/edit?usp=sharing">Improve the Rust Survey doc</a>, but to begin with I'd like to leave the survey as is while we collectively get a feel for where we're coming from. </p>
<p>I've also <a href="https://hackmd.io/@ryanlevick/rJFqnDV6O">created a doc</a> to capture the high level questions we want to answer with the survey. These aren't (necessarily) questions we can or want to ask participants directly. Rather, these are the questions we hope to use the survey responses to answer. We can then use those a guide to make sure we think we're collecting the right data.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246478193" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246478193">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm a little disappointed this doesn't have any questions about devtools and no one thought to reach out to us ... I left some questions I'd like to see in <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/Rust.20Annual.20Survey/near/246476913">https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com/#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/Rust.20Annual.20Survey/near/246476913</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246478578" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246478578">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>No need to be disappointed. <span aria-label="blush" class="emoji emoji-1f60a" role="img" title="blush">:blush:</span>I'm not sure what you're referring to, but the high-level questions doc does have questions about devtools. Also, we're very much at the beginning here so if something is missing, it's most likely due to someone not yet having the time to write it down yet and not it being forgotten after careful consideration.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246478805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246478805">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll definitely add your questions and post in the devtools channel (I looked in the list of streams but somehow missed that one)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246479275" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246479275">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:39)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="224872">@rylev</span> most of the devtools teams are on Discord, not Zulip. I linked to here in #devtools: <a href="https://discord.com/channels/442252698964721669/459149107387170817/866720332744622081">https://discord.com/channels/442252698964721669/459149107387170817/866720332744622081</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246479312" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246479312">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246479327" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246479327">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>There are questions about "tools developers use", like rust analyzer, but I didn't see cargo, rustdoc, rustfmt, or clippy mentioned.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246479515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246479515">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yep, and I hope we can add more about those tools. I hope I didn't get the impression this document was in any way done. The reason I posted in a bunch of channels was exactly because I knew a bunch of things were missing.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246479571" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246479571">(Jul 19 2021 at 16:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was just worried we weren't going to be consulted at all <span aria-label="sweat smile" class="emoji emoji-1f605" role="img" title="sweat smile">:sweat_smile:</span> as long as the questions go in before the survey goes out I'm happy :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246593190" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pickfire <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246593190">(Jul 20 2021 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
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<p>What editors do you use when writing Rust?</p>
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<p>Should we ask what other terminals are used?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246620195" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246620195">(Jul 20 2021 at 17:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Doesn't seem like useful information to me? What would we do with that knowledge?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246620897" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246620897">(Jul 20 2021 at 17:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>This might be slightly interesting if we want to know what and how we can optimize diagnostic output. I know the output is a certain way because some terminals don't support certain things.</p>



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<p>But perhaps that's too niche to warrant a question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246644973" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246644973">(Jul 20 2021 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I think the most important question there pretty much boils down to "do you use a version of Windows older than Windows 10".</p>



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<p>(which I'm hoping we cover somewhere in the survey)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246694147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246694147">(Jul 21 2021 at 08:55)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="239881">Josh Triplett</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/294169-t-community.2Frust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey/near/246645042">said</a>:</p>
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<p>(which I'm hoping we cover somewhere in the survey)</p>
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<p>We are not (we only ask about Windows but not which version - I'll add a note)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246696462" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246696462">(Jul 21 2021 at 09:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd love to know Windows version and macOS version, at least at a coarse granularity. That would help us inform support.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246696492" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246696492">(Jul 21 2021 at 09:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Not just target tier support, but also "how much effort should we put into supporting how old of a version of each OS".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246697366" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Pietro Albini <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246697366">(Jul 21 2021 at 09:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>also it'd be interesting intel vs m1 for macOS</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246697866" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Urgau <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246697866">(Jul 21 2021 at 09:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="239881">@Josh Triplett</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="121055">@Pietro Albini</span> Somethings like that could do what you want ? OS Kind (Windows, Linux, MacOS, BSD, ...) -&gt; OS Name (if Linux or BSD, maybe also Windows with Server version ?) -&gt; OS Version -&gt; OS Architecture (x86_64, arm64, mips, ...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246698188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Josh Triplett <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246698188">(Jul 21 2021 at 09:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we don't need that many different pieces of information. It would suffice to add "Windows 10 or newer" and "Windows older than Windows 10" as separate options, and likewise for a couple of macOS versions. (And yes, target architecture too.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246698910" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Daniel Silverstone <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246698910">(Jul 21 2021 at 09:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>If the question hasn't been considered already, it may be useful to know if people regularly cross compile, and if so,  if that is primarily using their host tools, a docker, or a CI system.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246701795" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246701795">(Jul 21 2021 at 10:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think I've covered all the discussion on platform support here now: <a href="https://hackmd.io/2ltg9He8SWWjeVikALjjXA#Platform-Support">https://hackmd.io/2ltg9He8SWWjeVikALjjXA#Platform-Support</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246702707" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246702707">(Jul 21 2021 at 10:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/294169-t-community.2Frust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey/near/246479275">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="224872">rylev</span> most of the devtools teams are on Discord, not Zulip. I linked to here in #devtools: <a href="https://discord.com/channels/442252698964721669/459149107387170817/866720332744622081">https://discord.com/channels/442252698964721669/459149107387170817/866720332744622081</a></p>
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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="232545">@Joshua Nelson</span> This link doesn't work for me. Discord says "I've found myself in a strange place". Which discord channel is it? Do you have a different link I might be able to use?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246710292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Daniel Silverstone <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246710292">(Jul 21 2021 at 12:13)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="224872">rylev</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/294169-t-community.2Frust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey/near/246702707">said</a>:</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/294169-t-community.2Frust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey/near/246479275">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="224872">rylev</span> most of the devtools teams are on Discord, not Zulip. I linked to here in #devtools: <a href="https://discord.com/channels/442252698964721669/459149107387170817/866720332744622081">https://discord.com/channels/442252698964721669/459149107387170817/866720332744622081</a></p>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="232545">Joshua Nelson</span> This link doesn't work for me. Discord says "I've found myself in a strange place". Which discord channel is it? Do you have a different link I might be able to use?</p>
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<p>You might first need to join the server <a href="https://discord.gg/rust-lang">https://discord.gg/rust-lang</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246714176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Poliorcetics <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246714176">(Jul 21 2021 at 12:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>About rustdoc: I would ask if users feel things are missing/not enough in doctests, how often they use local/distant documentation</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246714415" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> GuillaumeGomez <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246714415">(Jul 21 2021 at 12:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>For rustdoc as well: might be worth discussing what we want to know from our users. On my side, I'd like to ask them a few things:</p>
<ul>
<li>Do they have issues using rustdoc, and if yes which ones?</li>
<li>Are there missing features they'd want?</li>
</ul>
<p>I also have other things in mind but they're too "open" (the one I asked are already super open...), like "how would improve the UX/UI?".</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246722244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Poliorcetics <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246722244">(Jul 21 2021 at 13:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>To be more specific about UI: what is one element of the interface they would use more often but it isn’t visible enough/distinct enough from the rest</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246816470" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Lew <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246816470">(Jul 22 2021 at 07:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>For all UI/UX stuff, frankly my personal wish is i won't ever need to touch anything outside the UI of vscode+rust-analyzer... I hope everything can integrate into it, displaying HTML or other UI interface as necessary. (I'm a little biased, from Windows-user habit :))</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246838278" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joshua Nelson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246838278">(Jul 22 2021 at 12:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>That sounds extremely limiting ... How would you search the docs?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246839316" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> apiraino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246839316">(Jul 22 2021 at 12:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>Speaking of tooling I'd like 2 questions asking:</p>
<ul>
<li>Which editor are you using: [] emacs (and variants) [] vim/neovim [] vscode [] gnome builder [] atom? [] else</li>
<li>Which code assisting tools do you use most (multiple choice): [] rust analyzer (i.e. LSP) [] rls [] racer [] rustfmt [] clippy [] none</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246877780" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246877780">(Jul 22 2021 at 17:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>The document has moved to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/surveys">https://github.com/rust-lang/surveys</a>. We can continue discussing here, but we can also capture feedback as issues on the repo.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246912900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nick Cameron <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246912900">(Jul 22 2021 at 22:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have some ideas, somewhat speculative. Should I send a PR to amend design.md?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246928167" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Nick Cameron <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246928167">(Jul 23 2021 at 02:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I did that: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/surveys/pull/1">https://github.com/rust-lang/surveys/pull/1</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246985686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joe Hendrix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246985686">(Jul 23 2021 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>As an outsider, I'm curious: how do you decide how long to make the survey and what to prioritize?  At least in organizational contexts, response rates drop off and ratings improve as survey length increases.  Is that a concern?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/246996741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> rylev <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#246996741">(Jul 23 2021 at 16:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't want to pretend that we have a strict methodology here. We'll just be talking through all the questions and making a judgement call if to include questions or not</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/247001653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jasun Carr <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#247001653">(Jul 23 2021 at 16:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>From the previous couple of years, there hasn't been a noticable amount of response rate drop off due to survey length. Later questions in the survey move from ratings to rankings and discreet answer (eg. which of these tools do you use) which helps with some of the issues you raised.<br>
As we look at adding to the survey and making adjustments, it is a concern that we will be keeping in mind (as well as potential order effects, redundancy, confusing wording, questions that are no longer relevant, and a couple other issues noted in the past).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing%20the%20survey/near/247003411" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Joe Hendrix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/294169-t-community/rust-survey-2021/topic/Designing.20the.20survey.html#247003411">(Jul 23 2021 at 16:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Thanks for the answers, I happen to be working on a survey for my employer, and been thinking about these issues (e.g., we may have a dozen questions around topics and a few identity related questions for DEI purposes).  The length seemed to be my main high level concern, but this is coming from an outsider perspective.</p>



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